Rick Sadowski: Duchene frustrated by slump

what a bum...trade him...isnt that right DutchCanSaveUs

Patrick Roy thought Nick Holden played really well?

....was ...was he high?

Patrick Roy thought Nick Holden played really well?

....was ...was he high?
- BINGO!

This is his favorite move when it comes to the media, he goes out if he way to compliment a player even though they had a terrible game.

Last year he talked about how Stuart and Guenin were one of their best Dmen all season long. I get that hes a players coach and will always stick up for his guys. Its just what he does.

In other news.
Mikko Rantanen reassigned, Everberg recalled.

Patrick Roy thought Nick Holden played really well?

....was ...was he high?
- BINGO!

What's wrong with how Nick Holden played? He is actually a decent player.

What's wrong with how Nick Holden played? He is actually a decent player.
- Drij

In other news.
Mikko Rantanen reassigned, Everberg recalled.
- Drij

right move if Roy wasnt going to use Rantanen at his natural position nor give him PP time or meaningful minutes.

Hes going to tear it up in San Antonio and will be back with the Avs sooner rather than later

Hey, Avalanche fans -- I have a question for you guys.

I have always admired Matt Duchene's physical ability and hands, and I think he cares and plays fairly hard, especially for a skilled center.

So please, don't take this the wrong way. I would have the guy on my team in a second.

But my question is this: Do you guys think that 70-point season will be the best he ever posts? I don't watch him a ton, but most times when I do, I think I see a player who should comsistenly be in the top 10 or so in scoring. But it seems like that next level has proven slightly elusive -- though he certainly puts up points and, again, I would take him on my favorite team in a second.

But is there more there, or is he pretty much a 55-60 poimt player?

Hey, Avalanche fans -- I have a question for you guys.

I have always admired Matt Duchene's physical ability and hands, and I think he cares and plays fairly hard, especially for a skilled center.

So please, don't take this the wrong way. I would have the guy on my team in a second.

But my question is this: Do you guys think that 70-point season will be the best he ever posts? I don't watch him a ton, but most times when I do, I think I see a player who should comsistenly be in the top 10 or so in scoring. But it seems like that next level has proven slightly elusive -- though he certainly puts up points and, again, I would take him on my favorite team in a second.

But is there more there, or is he pretty much a 55-60 point player?
- AllInForFlyers

Hes too streaky to be a ppg, 70pt guy. But yes I do think hes a 60pt guy and a strong number 1B Center for sure. He has all the skill, but too many tendencies to do the same things over and over again, such as his power move trying to spin off guys in the offensive corner to power his way to the net, and his pass first mentality.

Speed and hands are still all word, but just has become a little too predictable to defend. Im sure he still has another gear, but until he figures it out, I see him as that 1B 60pt Centre, which isnt a bad thing to have at all.

Hes too streaky to be a ppg, 70pt guy. But yes I do think hes a 60pt guy and a strong number 1B Center for sure. He has all the skill, but too many tendencies to do the same things over and over again, such as his power move trying to spin off guys in the offensive corner to power his way to the net, and his pass first mentality.

Speed and hands are still all word, but just has become a little too predictable to defend. Im sure he still has another gear, but until he figures it out, I see him as that 1B 60pt Centre, which isnt a bad thing to have at all.
- DDM-Coga

Thanks for the response!

I agree that Duchene is a special player that always seems to underachieve from a points perspective. He just flies out there but he really has not got any better than he was when he broke in as a dominant rookie. It might come but it still amazes me that with his skill and skating ability he is only a 55-60 point guy.

What's wrong with how Nick Holden played? He is actually a decent player.
- Drij

Probably, but the guy was utterly useless in his own end by the third period. Part of that could have been the lack of forward support down low in their own end, but he looked like he was getting muscled off the puck pretty routinely as the game went along.

I agree that Duchene is a special player that always seems to underachieve from a points perspective. He just flies out there but he really has not got any better than he was when he broke in as a dominant rookie. It might come but it still amazes me that with his skill and skating ability he is only a 55-60 point guy.
- flyerdude17

for the longest time the story line has "finding duchene good wingers" however if he is as good as he skill sets tease him to be, he should be able to produce regardless of his wingers.

Guys like Iginla, Tanguay, Comeau, Mueller, ROR, McGinn etc, etc are respectable wingers, so I am starting to shift my thoughts to it might not the "finding him wingers" excuses anymore. Maybe this is what Duchene is and honestly thats not a bad player to have as your platoon 1A/1B center.

Probably, but the guy was utterly useless in his own end by the third period. Part of that could have been the lack of forward support down low in their own end, but he looked like he was getting muscled off the puck pretty routinely as the game went along.
- BINGO!

No Holden sucks, hes just teasing you

#FireRoy #SaveDDM

#FireRoy #SaveDDM
- Nucker101

#PrayForFatmarsh

what a bum...trade him...isnt that right DutchCanSaveUs
- DDM-Coga

Naw, you're right.. give him rookie linemates and continue to expect huge things.. drive his confidence into the ground, lose games..

Obviously you should be coaching this team instead of someone who has a clue.

Naw, you're right.. give him rookie linemates and continue to expect huge things.. drive his confidence into the ground, lose games..

Obviously you should be coaching this team instead of someone who has a clue.
- DutchCanSaveUs

DDM > Roy


Believe dat, son.

DDM > Roy


Believe dat, son.
- Nucker101

Finally someone says it, I will humbly accept the position, can't believe my big break is finally happening

for the longest time the story line has "finding duchene good wingers" however if he is as good as he skill sets tease him to be, he should be able to produce regardless of his wingers.

Guys like Iginla, Tanguay, Comeau, Mueller, ROR, McGinn etc, etc are respectable wingers, so I am starting to shift my thoughts to it might not the "finding him wingers" excuses anymore. Maybe this is what Duchene is and honestly thats not a bad player to have as your platoon 1A/1B center.
- DDM-Coga

The two players in that draft who I thought would be superstars were Duchene and B. Shenn. We ended up with Kadri and I was really upset but it's a little easier to live with now

Always interesting looking back at a draft. If we slipped one spot, or if Kane/Duchene were ranked differently we might have ended up with Evander Kane. (not saying i'd make that trade but play along for a second...it's an off day anyways!)

Let's say we still find ROR, the diamond in the rough, we have a Kane/ROR line combo. ROR probably ends up signing in Colorado because he's no longer in an over-crowded position and is slotted firmly into the 2nd line Center role behind Mackinnon.

Lando/Mack
Kane/ROR

The more interesting part of that combo is that we can actually see how it would have worked by simply watching the Sabres this year because they just put Kane/ROR together.

I'm not saying you draft Kane over Duchene but it's fun to look back when thinking who was selected next. Other than Kane's attitude, would drafting 2 wingers and 2 centers have made things smoother and avoid the whole ROR saga? It probably still leaves us drafting too many forwards and a defensive core far behind similar to how it's looked with Edmonton.

Everyone that follows Colorado had thought Duchene was about to explode into that top 10 scoring machine, reality is hitting home that's not going to be the case.

I now see those numbers, but they'd have to come from Mackinnon.

*Edit* If Colorado had selected Kane....do we still draft Landeskog?

*Edit 2* What happens with Statsny then?

The two players in that draft who I thought would be superstars were Duchene and B. Shenn. We ended up with Kadri and I was really upset but it's a little easier to live with now
- shack67

but lets be clear here, Dutch is clear cut on a different level than those 2, even if hes not reaching his project potential, hes still a clear cut 1B Center, however you cant say that about schenn or kadri.

It comes down to with Dutch is that with the leaving of Stastny, Avs no longer have a C to handle shut down defensive duties. Stastny carried that load and that allowed Dutch to wheel and deal. Now that Mack is here, hes the guy thats going to have the offence built around.

Dutch needs to adopt his game a bit since times have changed, he will have to start sacrificing offense for defense. Still love the kid on my team.

but lets be clear here, Dutch is clear cut on a different level than those 2, even if hes not reaching his project potential, hes still a clear cut 1B Center, however you cant say that about schenn or kadri.

It comes down to with Dutch is that with the leaving of Stastny, Avs no longer have a C to handle shut down defensive duties. Stastny carried that load and that allowed Dutch to wheel and deal. Now that Mack is here, hes the guy thats going to have the offence built around.

Dutch needs to adopt his game a bit since times have changed, he will have to start sacrificing offense for defense. Still love the kid on my team.
- DDM-Coga

No doubt about it! Dutch is a player that still has a long time ahead of him and I think he'll still be an excellent player in this league.

but lets be clear here, Dutch is clear cut on a different level than those 2, even if hes not reaching his project potential, hes still a clear cut 1B Center, however you cant say that about schenn or kadri.

It comes down to with Dutch is that with the leaving of Stastny, Avs no longer have a C to handle shut down defensive duties. Stastny carried that load and that allowed Dutch to wheel and deal. Now that Mack is here, hes the guy thats going to have the offence built around.

Dutch needs to adopt his game a bit since times have changed, he will have to start sacrificing offense for defense. Still love the kid on my team.
- DDM-Coga

And that goes even further to my 'JUST FOR FUN' post about Duchene's draft with Kane slotted behind him, I forgot to even mention Stastny. It's no wonder we haven't really turned the corner yet, we've invested a whole whack of effort in the middle of the ice.

Stastny, Duchene, ROR all before even knowing that Mackinnon was going to fall into our laps.

Yikes.....maybe that's why we're stuck watching Holden, Guenin, and Stuart